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Fascinating list of 100 Best Novelz EVAH as published in 1898 in The Bookman by litcritic Clement Shorter.

And apart from the usual thing with such lists that it includes significant numbers of works which have not stood up to the test of time, there are several other interesting points about it.

The earlier entries are pretty much Ye Canonical Founders of Ye Novel, although I was a bit surprised to see The Holy War rather than Pilgrim's Progress, but I suppose one should not judge standard critical opinion of Bunyan's works on Louisa May Alcott's invocation of PP in LW.

He's pretty well up in Euro-lit, and also what was happening across the Atlantic - though no Mark Twain, WTF?!

Do we detect something of an inclination towards Scots authors? though also a number of works from Ireland. Both of these doubtless with extensive passages of phonetically rendered quaint local dialect.

Some of his picks for Canonical Writers are kind of weird: Silas Marner rather than Middlemarch? again, WTF, not to mention Ruth rather than e.g. North and South.

A number of writers one has heard of, whom nobody reads anymore, or who exist as an Awful Warning (Bulwer-Lytton, e.g.).

I have heard of Valentine Vox because Robertson Davies wrote about it somewhere as an example of a bad book which was once immensely popular, and why certain works become popular at particular times.

We are rather impressed that Mr Shorter includes a very large number of writers of what he may have referred to as the gentler or the fair sex. While he seems to have enjoyed swashbuckling adventure, he also seems to have had some taste for weepy sentimentality, if not the sensationalist melodrama of e.g. Lady Audley's Secret. Though apparently not one of the manly Victorians sobbing into his beard over The Heir of Redcliffe.

I bet quite a lot of those works are now available via Project Gutenberg.

It's a very eclectic list, go Clement Shorter, even if I don't concur with all of his choices

Date: 2013-11-12 09:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nineveh_uk
Anyone who includes Caleb Williams in their 100 best novels has got something going for them. It redeemed my otherwise-loathed undergraduate Romantics course. I'm also fond of John Halifax, Gentleman, even if it is listed as "the best-known Victorian fable of Smilesian self-improvement".

After saying that, asking "Has anyone these days read The Vicar of Wakefield?" seems a bit silly, but I ask it nonetheless.

Date: 2013-11-12 09:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dorothean
After saying that, asking "Has anyone these days read The Vicar of Wakefield?" seems a bit silly, but I ask it nonetheless.

I read it last week!!

Date: 2013-11-12 09:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nineveh_uk
Did you enjoy it? It's one of those novels (like "Esmond") that are But a Name to me, though I know theoretically that they were once loved.

Date: 2013-11-12 10:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dorothean
Yes, I did very much! I didn't know a thing about it when I began -- I was reading a library edition that had no editorial matter whatever, not even the publication date -- so I didn't even know what to expect. But I thought it was almost completely charming. The sense of humor grew and grew on me, and I even liked the political digressions. I think it would be a lovely book to read out loud, but I wouldn't read it to children (supposing there are any who would sit still for it anymore) because the one really disagreeable part is the sexism. (But I have to admit I found a few of the sexist bits funny, too.)

The vicar is the narrator. It is the story of how he and his family suffer all kinds of downfalls and humiliations, but finally arrive at a happy ending. The real appeal, I think, is how he describes the family's foibles, especially his own, his wife's, and his elder daughter's. All kinds of absurd situations arise in consequence of said foibles, and the vicar is perfectly aware of the absurdity, but he retains a tone of paternal devotion and authority throughout. (I am not sure if this is what earlier readers generally enjoyed, but it was the strongest impression on me!)

Date: 2013-11-12 10:43 pm (UTC)
nineveh_uk: Illustration that looks like Harriet Vane (Default)
From: [personal profile] nineveh_uk
Sounds like I should perhaps give it a go.

Date: 2013-11-12 10:56 pm (UTC)
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I loved Esmond when I read it as a teenager.

Am feeling a strange pull towards trying '44. Fardorougha the Miser - 1839 - William Carleton ("a grim study of avarice and Catholic family life. Critics consider it the author's finest achievement")'.

Date: 2013-11-13 05:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sara
*pastes gold star on your forehead* This is what I love about the internet, if people aren't wearing rubber gloves on their heads they're reading obscure English novels.

Date: 2013-11-12 10:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] perennialanna
I read it when I was 16 or so, but that was 18 years ago now.

Date: 2013-11-13 02:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] castiron
I have, due to its being mentioned in Little Women; while it's not one of my utter favorites, I enjoy rereading it every few years.

Date: 2013-11-13 10:15 am (UTC)
nineveh_uk: Illustration that looks like Harriet Vane (Default)
From: [personal profile] nineveh_uk
After Little Women made me try Pilgrim's Progress, I think I decided not to go anywhere near anything else it recommended! Though I might try PP again, I suppose.

Date: 2013-11-12 09:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] green_knight
First thing I noticed is how many female writers are on that list. And how many books I've never heard of...

Date: 2013-11-12 10:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spiralsheep
Although at least one of those listed as by a woman, Adventures of Mr Ledbury, is misattributed. :-)

https://archive.org/details/adventuresofmrle00smit

Date: 2013-11-12 10:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shiv
Ah, now, unlike the list of 50 hard to read I've read rather a lot of those, and some of them are little gems.

Date: 2013-11-13 12:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gillo
Kenilworth, not Ivanhoe? Have you ever tried to read it? Gadzookery taken to a ridiculous degree.

I suppose it's surprising he hit so many writers still respected. And P&P is always going to be popular because it's fun.

I doubt if a modern list would stand much better a chance. It would be interesting to go back to the millennial lists and see how they have worn, even.

Date: 2013-11-13 05:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sara
I think I am posting that to the work Facebook tomorrow.

It would be interesting to cross-reference it with the 100 most popular books at Project Gutenberg.

Date: 2013-11-13 11:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heliopausa
Mark Twain and Charlotte Yonge were both living when the list was made, so the compiler might have admired them both, even if they aren't on the list.
Why simply assume that unknown Irish or Scottish books are likely to have "extensive passages of phonetically rendered quaint local dialect"?
And come to that, why are so many people surprised that a list compiled in the 1890s shows more respect for women writers than a list compiled today? It's not as if day by day in every way things are getting better and better for women, at all.

Date: 2013-11-14 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ethelmay.livejournal.com
I used to rather enjoy George MacDonald's Scottish novels, but it took a while to get into them.

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